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. also, what it's like to debate mitt romney. newt gingrich knows and he'll tell us about that and more. and after a multimillion dollar makeover, what's supposed to be one of washington's most beautiful sites is an ugly eyesore. wolf blitzer's off today. i'm joe johns. you're in "the situation room." >>> we begin with one of the states that in just 41 days could decide the presidential election, ohio, is so important both to president obama and mitt romney campaigning there this afternoon. and there's more of a backdrop than just the early autumn trees. a brand new quinnipiac/cbs "new york times" poll has the president a full ten points ahead of romney in ohio. 53% to 43%. let's begin with cnn white house correspondent dan lothian. >> reporter: joe, even though a new poll shows the president with a double digit lead in ohio, mr. obama continues to push hard in the state. it's a huge priority for the campaign according to a top aide. by our count the president has visited ohio at least 13 times so far this year. this time ahead of early voting, which by the way begins next tuesday. now,
, ohio, is so important both to president obama and mitt romney campaigning there this afternoon. and there's more of a backdrop than just the early autumn trees. a brand new quinnipiac/cbs "new york times" poll has the president a full ten points ahead of romney in ohio. 53% to 43%. let's begin with cnn white house correspondent dan lothian. >> reporter: joe, even though a new poll shows the president with a double digit lead in ohio, mr. obama continues to push hard in the state. it's a huge priority for the campaign according to a top aide. by our count the president has visited ohio at least 13 times so far this year. this time ahead of early voting, which by the w begins next tuesday. now, today the president was again selling his policies and his record in a state he says has benefitted from the auto bailout. he talked about the thousands of jobs created but also hit china and went after his gop opponent. >> he's been talking tough on china. he says he's going to take the fight to them. he's going to go after these cheaters. and i've got to admit, that message is better tha
's changed. it could be something as definite ace bill clinton's speech. that's romney's problem and it's a big one. "the ed show" with ed schultz starts right now. >> good evening americans. welcome to "the ed show" from new york. 39 days until the 2012 election and five days until the first presidential debate. voter fraud is alive and healthy. tonight we rip the cover off the growing rnc voter suppression scandal. it's there. this is "the ed show," let's get to work. >> mitt romney and the rnc has been funneling money to an organization sponsoring voter fraud. >> i know they are counting on it. they want the option to cheat. >> senator barbara boxer to cheat and steal the election. is mitt romney's 47% remark the biggest change in politics? >> we're not going to play in missouri with todd akin, i can tell you that. so it is yet to be seen whether he stays in or not. >> reince priebus flip flops on supporting todd "s forib "forci akin. >> voters are already casting ballots and polls don't look good for republicans. now we're seeing the underhanded attempts to suppress voters and rig t
to cheat. >> senator barbara boxer to cheat and steal the election. is mitt romney's 47% remark the biggest change in politics? >> we're not going to play in missouri with todd akin, i can tell you that. so it is yet to be seen whether he stays in or not. >> reince priebus flip flops on supporting todd "s forib "forci akin. >> voters are already casting ballots and polls don't look good for republicans. now we're seeing the underhanded attempts to suppress voters and rig the game. for instance, in florida election officials have uncovered suspected voter fraud across the state. a voter registration firm working with republicans turned in forms with fake signatures and false information. republicans have cut ties with the firm and the rnc's communication director says there is nothing to see here. >> at this point we have an allegation. that mere allegation has caused to us act, act swiftly and boldly and sever our ties with this firm because we have a zero tolerance when it comes from this. the other side clearly engaged for a long time in inappropriate behavior. we don't believe it's appro
be crumbling and mitt romney gets a kick in the well, i'm going to use the word pants. from the latest poll in ohio, but that's not what his team used. and barney frank talks brownies. those kinds of brownies, let's go outfront. good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, the white house story crumbling. today, secretary of state hillary clinton admitted al-qaeda was involved in the attack in benghazi, libya. this came on th heels from a report on "the daily beast" chbs the u.s. government new about the involvement within 24 hours of the attack. it was 15 days ago and what we've heard for the past 15 days is that the attacks were an attack on america. that was the president. not preplanned, spontaneous, that was susan rice and carried out by a small and savage group. that was secretary of state hillary clinton. well, the president of libya today also came out today and was clear about al-qaeda. >> hiding in libya. >> it was actually in a high level united nations meeting that hillary clinton for the first timeoday admitted that an al-qaeda linked group was involved. >> for
>>> time for a very brief but insightful end point. ryan? >> brief at least. romney's problems talking about talking to his communications person before, tara. i think simply it's the too negative on obama and not enough positive what he would do their theory of this race, if you just attack obama, just point out where he failed, mitt romney win buys default that is the strategic error of the 2012 campaign. >> ryan lizza, suzy welch? >> the problems are right and something about the with the delivery. >> i agree we having they said. >> that us for being brief. >>> cnn newsroom with carol costello begins now. good morning, carol. >> hi, john. happening now in the newsroom, they are stretching out and suiting up, the nfl's referees turn return to their field of expertise tonight. with the replacements gone, football fans can now direct their anger elsewhere. >>> fbi agents investigating the lady attack at the american consulate in libya still haven't reached ben gas zip. exclusive information on why u.s. officials still respect there more than two weeks after the gunfire. >>> whe
. confusing scene. >> thank you, there, greg. martha. martha: governor mitt romney addressing the recent violence overseas in a campaign stop during the key battleground state of ohio. he is asking where the leadership is on all of this from the white house. he says we don't need a president who stays silent. >> it means that with the developments in the middle east these days when we have a an ambassador assassinated, when we have 20,000 people killed in syria, when we have a muslim brotherhood leader become the new president of egypt, when we have iran moving closer and closer to a nuclear clear weapon, we don't have a calling these things bumps in the road. we have a president who takes this serious to get america on track to shape world affairs. martha: that is a major focus of governor romney past couple days. he is also slamming the obama administration for quote, not coming clean on murders of four americans in libya. karl rove on that. twin explosions targeting a syrian building. this is brand new video we have just gotten in. it is amateur video we're monitoring for you. these e
. >>> romney just released an ad in which, for the fst time he speaks directly to camera. in all thether adsyou don't utr hce a see g t thecamera him walking around. the goal is to show he does care about americans who are struggling financially. he does a pretty good job with it. >> it many americans are struggling to find work in today's economy. too many of those whore payc.ng are liaycheck to acare ling in poverty than when president obama took office. and 15 million more are on food stamps. my plan will create 12 million new jobs over the next four years. we shoul'teasure compassion by how many pele are on wee. hosuomio by how many people are able to get off welfare and get a good paying job. i'm mitt romney, and i approved this message. >> i think that ad just makes my odorning, it's thursday, september 27th, as you take a look at a wet times square in new york city. i'm in chicago this morning, but with us in new york city wh willie geist, our national affairs editor for "new york" magazine andnbit analyst, john heilemann. also former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst
, the obama campaign combines mitt romney's words with some potentially devastating pictures. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> as of today we're just 40 days away until the presidential election. and for the second day in a row both mitt romney and president obama have been campaigning in the same battleground state. this time it's virginia where both men targeted the same group of voters. let's walk over to cnn's national political correspondent jim acosta who's been out on the campaign trail watching what's going on. another dramatic day. virginia, virginia, virginia. pretty important place. >> that's right. a rare visit to washington for me. but it's good to be home, wolf. all politics is local. so it was no surprise to hear both candidates hit on national security themes today in their speeches in virginia. but the state is much bigger than that. it's really a republican firewall for mitt romney. in battleground virginia, both president obama and mitt romney pulled out the heavy artillery before a group of veterans, romney slammed the president for the massive defense
more bad news for mitt romney. the cbs poll not good news. although romney says the polls in ohio were wrong. >> we'll get into that. >> stephanie: don't spoil it all for me right off the bat. >> stephanie: just stop it. >> it is hard. >> stephanie: as you know, the laws of aeronautical engineering are wrong. you can roll a window down at 30,000 feet. >> stephanie: and say wee! stick your head out like a labrador. >> i get excited why the twitter gives me another romney gaffe. it makes my day every hour and a half or so. >> stephanie: just stop it. see? we just foreshadowed her news nuggets. here they are in their glory. >> that's a euphemism. but go ahead. >> stephanie: whatever. jacki schechner in the current news center. >> good morning everybody. if you're looking for a little more intention from president obama, you know what you have to do, beat ohio. he's got campaign events in bowling green state university and kent state university today marking his 29th visit to ohio since taking office. if
was doing what poor bay buchanan had to do. her job is to prop up the romney campaign when even people in the romney campaign are saying horrible things about how bad the campaign's going behind the scenes. you know, talking about "the wall street journal" and the fact that laura ingram's had legitimate concerns and rush, you go down the concerns. this is not an ideological campaign, it's not a conservative campaign. not conservatives because the conservatives that are leaders who understand what a mess this country's in and our party's in, they're with me. but let's just say some of the screechers, whether it's on certain talk radio shows, people -- you know, they're blaming the polls. it's the pollsters' fault, right? just like walter mondale's people were blaming the polls back in 1984 a day before the election. the day before reagan got 49 states. blaming everything else but where the blame lies. and that is mitt romney and his horrible campaign. peggy noonan was right. you know, these idiots blast people like peggy noonan, these idiots blast people like "the wall street journal."
job. i'm mitt romney, and i approved this message. >> i think that ad just makes my point, they're tone deaf. good morning, it's thursday, september 27th, as you take a look at a wet times square in new york city. i'm in chicago this morning, but with us in new york city with willie geist, our national affairs editor for "new york" magazine and msnbc political analyst, john heilemann. also former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve ratner and nbc news chief affairs correspondent and host of "andrea mitchell reports." >> we have affairs. >> andrea mitchell. and in washington, for "the politico playbook," executive executor jim vandehei. of course, willie, we've got a lot to talk about. let's start really quickly with the refs! >> they're back. >> we've got some breaking news. i've got to tell you, little kay, she's very excited because she's 9 years old. she plays in the soccer league. and the parents have had to ref over the past couple weeks because those guys have gone off to the nfl, but it's taken care of now. >> that's great news. >> drilled down deep
was just junk. here comes neil cavuto. >>neil: hello, ohio. rebound and mitt romney, a partisan blitz, a state where the polls show the president now winning in a walk. for now. maybe because ohio's economy is on something of a tear right now. unemployment is well below the national average. business formation well above the national average. never mine the republican governor of the state, on wants to take a bow, a lot of business owners across the country did not get the memo. welcome, everyone, glad to have you. so much for voters in ohio swinging the president's way. to hear the c.e.o.'s of some of the largest companies in america, this recovery still is not. not swinging. not moving. not worth investing. seven out of ten expect hiring in the last three months of the year to be flat or lower. all of the expiring bush tax cuts that have not been addressed by either party have not lifted their spirits higher. way beyond ohio, more signs that americans in general are behind the eight ball. today the household income dropped more than 8 percent since the president took office. the pol
romney. >>> midwest twister. an ominous sight through the autumn sky. the damage being assessed right now. >>> football fury. fallout ongoing from that blown call monday night. new questions. why were refs fired when lesser leagues are allowed to officiate one of the league's biggest nights. >>> and last dance. the first elimination on "dancing with the stars." why is everyone talking about the biebs? >>> good morning, everybody. good to be back. well, all roads on the presidential campaign lead to ohio today. president obama and mitt romney, both return for rallies in the battleground state. >> and it is great to have you back, rob. >> thanks. >> the stakes could not be higher, with the latest polls showing the president pulling ahead among ohio voters. abc's tahman bradley joining us this morning from washington with a preview. good morning, tahman. >> reporter: good morning, paula and rob. this is the first time in two months president obama and mitt romney will be in the same state at the same time. they're both holding rallies at the same time. giving a voters a sense of how crucial
very close along those lines. right now, though, for the moment, the race looks like mitt romney is slipping and obama is in front. >>neil: i was talking about an easy electoral win to the president if you buy the polls, and i don't, but the popular vote is tight. on to what is happening in the swing states, republican governors like to point out and we will elaborate on that, wait a minute. we are running these states, you are seeing the improvements in a last them because republican governors are exacting the changes. what do you say do that? >>guest: it complicates mitt romney's tack. he is trying to make the case that obama is not good for the economy and we are worse off than four years ago but in a lot of states, in florida rick scott and in ohio, john kasich, they have unemployment rates under the national average. romney has had his message undercut. >>neil: where does that come? when times are good the incumbent benefits and the times are bad, he doesn't. the governor is not inconsequential although he or should be in the scheme of things, if they are not up for election
. >> gretchen: is that politicians in general. >> brian: i thought mitt romney at the clinton initiative was more direct and offered a solution. we should linkk our foreign aid to the behavior of the countries many of which blow up our embassies. >> gretchen: if you are strat jizing for obama you coast until the election because he is ahead in the polls. that's what they tell somebody. for mitt romney, you got to point out solution and point out the differences and especially in the debates and so that people will say what you stand for. they like president obama and they don't know as much about mitt romney. >> steve: they know one thing about president obama and that was brought to like by a friend of this program in the washington post. after our attack in the consulate in libya that the president was not attending the presidential briefings. he missed over half of them. surprise, every since the attack on the consulate, he went to sevenin a row which is a record for a number of months and lawmakers on capitol hill are disturbed by the statements put out by the ambassador to the unite
toss upstate, president obama and governor romney both campaigning in the same battleground state today. we'll take you straight to ohio and talk about the strategies there, plus violent protests in two european capitols. latest fall outs from efforts to slash out of control government spending. what the street battles you're seeing across the pond there mean for our economic future. and finding justice for an american couple murdered in a tropical paradise. it's all happening now. and back to the big story of the day, iranian mahmoud ahmadinejad getting set to address the u.n. general assembly. hello, everyone, i'm arthe arthel nevel in for jenna lee. jon: i'm jon scott. mahmoud ahmadinejad delivering what is expected to be his final speech to the u.n. as president of the islamic republic. this caps a week of belligerent receipt particular. on tuesday he called for a new world order, free from what he calls american bullying. all this has governor mitt romney and the republican national committee hit the president hard on foreign policy, releasing a scathing attack being the president'
important -- but nevertheless i wrote in that book that romney would make a great presidential nominee. i didn't know who the nominee would be. it's not a book about romney. i was proven remarkably impressionable by the 2007 book. the dean of the columbia school of journalism. the new yorkers national political reporter and always the go to guy for national political stories. the profile the in 2005 for the new yorker. it was a very nice piece. he told his liberal democratic leaders, the most influential conservative you ever heard of. okay. [laughter] that's okay, i guess. i don't really speak to the manhattan crowd, the your crowd. how many of you describe to the new yorker? i rest my case. he had read that and remembered that i've written this book about romney. what do you think now? have read the book. no, i haven't. go back and read in and coming back. he did. he called me back in about a week. what do you think of the book? we talked about it. in fact, i made predictions about this campaign which have come to be true, how ban would be mitt romney's greatest vulnerability. how the m
" straight ahead. patti ann: right now brand new stories and breaking news. jon: governor romney kicking off his mower aggressive campaign. this week he hits the road with his running mate in a bus tour through the buckeye state. the all-important bellwether of ohio. could the big push deliver a whole lot of electoral votes. chris wallace and robert gibbs go toe-to-toe over the white house's changing story over the deadly attack in libya. will the flip-flop have an effect on the president's campaign? >>> cross-country on a bike. some of america's heroes making a ride for the children of veterans who fought for our freedoms. those stories plus breaking news awl "happening now." jon: brand new developments in the race for the white house. good morning to you, i'm john scott. good morning patti ann. patti ann: good morning great to be here. i'm patti ann browne in for jenna lee. early voting is underway in battleground states including michigan and new hampshire. governor romney sets his sights on two swing states. right now the republican presidentialnal nominee gearing up for a campaign event
been making so many headlines right now and you mitt romney. we talked a lot about that red line whether the president is clear enough making a red line with iran. netanyahu publicly criticizing the administration for not doing that romney citing with netanyahu. take a listen to the family we met with last night who are supporting president obama. >> i think he has made it hard for the united states to keep israel with this special ally status that it's had because the united states can't be pushed around by anyone. i just think that obama is being very rational and reasonable to a bully right now. >> the president taking the iran threat seriously enough right now or does netanyahu have a point? >> he has built an international coalition. he has succeeded in buildi in i embargo against iran unprecedented. >> mitt romney said things like president obama has "thrown allies like israel under the bus." he also said on "60 minutes" over the weekend that the president made a mistake by not meeting with netanyahu. the next family we met with certainly agrees,ays the president still has
for the white house. this coming wednesday, mitt romney and president obama will be squaring off in their very first debate. no political handlers on the stage and no advisors, no 30 seconds commercials. two men going on one on one with the debate posing a crucial test for both candidates. how big are the stakes? joining us is erin mcpike national reporter. good to see you. as the challenger who is admittedly behind in the polls, governor romney is an underdog, does that give him an advantage and if he does well with let's say 50 million people watching, could it reversed direction of his campaign? >> it's very possible. romney campaign has said all along that the debates are going to be very important because it's a chance to see mitt romney square off with president obama and visions for the country. we are starting to see both campaigns to lower expectations for both candidates but this is last chance that romney have to voters take him seriously. >> gregg: i think the trick is for romney at least to come across as krebld and trust worthy and to have the better plan for the economy, that se
's margin in 2008. seventy-two among hispanics and it is not that far off. also 22 for romney. what it means is that the idea that obama could get 80% of the minority again it's actually quite plausible based on this and other data. that looks like what it's going to get to. if he doesn't get 80, he will get 7 meters 79. as you can see by the right-hand figures, obama is actually doing better -- which is actually somewhat better than he did in 2000 and one he lost them by 18 points. remember what we said about the outlandishly large margin that mitt romney needs to be with white working-class voters. he is not anywhere close. that is the bottom line. this is true across many polls. you might see a margin of 20 points for mitt romney or a margin of 22 points. nowhere do you see the outside margin that he really needs to win the election. given how he appears to be holding support and then some of college graduate voters so that is where we are now in the national picture. as we know, these elections that we choose to have in the united states are not decided by the popular vote. instead, we h
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. we told you about the brand new poll showing that that man in swing state of ohio is amitt romney by 10 percent. but are they really swinging toward the president? or is there skewing going on by the left-based main stream med yampt a number of people on the right feel that there is something, a polster media polling bias and what they do, they sample more democrats than republicans and naturally the democrats will wind up with the vote. why will they do that? one perhaps to keep mitt romney's donors from coughing up more cash and keep people from doing early voting. >> gretchen: the idea is why do they weight it one way to the other. they base it on the turn out in the last election cycles. they see more democrats came to the polls they weight it to democrats as opposed to the republicans and defendants. >> steve: what about 2010 and the land slide with the republicans winning be you when mr. obama had a highly motivated base of young people and latinos? which model do you follow. >> brian: we'll listen to karl rove and then we'll talk. >> when news agencies like the cbs news rep
, bain capital to go after mitt romney's business record. >> clayton: peter doocy live in washington d.c. with the details. this short of worked for president obama earlier in the summer, trying to paint mitt romney this way with bain ads. will this work? we'll have to see. >> reporter: we do have to wait and see and the economy is set to be the topic of wednesday's presidential debate and mitt romney is going to try it tout his record at bain capital for a reason to pick him. the democrats are trying to peck up people who used to work bain capital, and a part of the election season, he was featured on a conference call with the now infamous, joe southic, a former employer of a bain company that later on claimed that mitt romney indirectly killed his wife and mitt romney deputy campaign manager stephanie cutter claemd not to remember and we also heard from mr. foster at the democrat national convention earlier this month. >> bain took over the bill, they loaded it up with millions in debt and within months, they used some of that money to millions, within a decade the debt kept growin
the fans. one again, 70,000 calls to the nfl. you had the president weighing in on this, mitt romney weighing in about it. there were calls for goodell to resign because he wasn't managing things the way he should have been. it was really the pressure coming in from the fans, from everyone watching nfl to get this done. >> we all know that a deal is not a deal until the signatures are sign. until we design the papers. is it done? as far as we know, is there any chance this could fall through at this point? >> it has to be ratified by the referees association. but all indications are very clear, this is a done deal. and then we'll get back to having the regular refs on the field. as you said at the top, let's see how long the honeymoon lasts. right? a year from now we'll be back to criticizing them again. >> jason carroll, appreciate that. thank you very much. i'm sure everybody is glad we're having this story on this morning. >>> former nfl referee red cashion joins us in the next hour. the nfl asked him to help train the replacement officials. you know what his response was? >> what
romney dead and move on. >> on the counter side of that, again, i hold up the front page of the "new york times" this morning with the story. >> taking a step to say it may cost obama. >> i hope this becomes an issue in the debate. i know it's not structured at all foreclosure policy related. i hope they at lease get a question in. >> all right. let's move on to your head lions and tell you what else is happening at this hour. president obama made a phone call to prime minister benjamin netanyahu widespread criticism of failing to meet with him in person this week. the white house says they discussed a range of security issues and agreed they must prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. mitt romney also speaking with netanyahu about the country that he calls the world's greatest national security threat. >> we have very much have the same interest to make sure that iran does not develop nuclear capability which would threaten the existence of israel. threaten devastation potentially in other nations of the world. and we must make every effort to prevent them from developing that nuc
romney speaking of the clinton global initiative in new york was in the traditional form of american aid economic assistance are outdated in the global economy and what is really needed is trade. he has proposed a new trade organization. regardless of the specific proposal he had, what about this question of -- what exact forms of assistance are helpful? economic grants, loans, technical assistance? are we talking about free trade agreement, investment? what kind of engagement are most likely to help and descanting democracies bring about the kind of economic progress that is likely to buttress the political transition and allow them to move forward? >> during my time as secretary, we always recognize that trade is more important than aid. anything we can do to enhance trade. the principal duty of our embassies was to see if they could complete trade deals between companies in american markets over there and companies there and market here in the united states. so trade is essential. i would focus as much energy as i could on trade. at the same time, there are things you have to do befor
end. and then -- but if romney wins it, you would see them all extended. is there one that would have a better outcome in your view? >> you know, i think there's a -- there's a tension between two different things here. on the one hand, there's a sense that in the very near term with a weak overall economic performance continuing that raising levels of taxes wherever in the distribution may have some negative effects on economic growth. and then there's a harder long-term question, frankly, which is how tax rates on capital gains, on dividends which feed through a somewhat complicated channel by encouraging various kinds of saving activity and ultimately lowering the cost of capital to businesses and encouraging investment, how that translates into long-term economic growth. that is frankly a difficult chain to try to measure in any precise way, and consequently it's harder to be able to trace through the quantitative impacts on growth to follow through on channels for that. >> to follow-up on that, which plan, do you think it's problematic for the economy at this point to have taxes
, mitt romney, speak at the clinton global initiative annual meeting also today. in nearly back-to-back speeches. hot topics for both, the u.s. response to anti-american protests across the muslim world. and we'll have more on this coming up. >>> now let's head to wall street and cnbc's courtney reagan is at the new york stock exchange. tell us more about the global bacon shortage on the way. al is very concerned this morning. he can't function. >> as are a number of others. this could be true, if you're a bacon lover, you better start hoarding it now. according to britain's national pig association, a worldwide shortage of pork and bacon next year is unavoidable. it's a result of the drought that hit much of the country this year. which damaged the crops used to feed the pigs. so the group predicts that the number of slaughtered pigs could fall by 10% in the second half of next year, and that could cause prices to double in some areas. natalie, back to you. >> stocking up now. courtney reagan, thanks. >>> what better way to show a little school spirit than to boogie down. the o
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